[Interview Begins] BLUMENBERG: Good morning. My name is Tom Bloomberg, and it is October 11th, 2016. And it is my honor to be here today with a friend whose name is William Dan McCormick. Just, as a matter of record, I am not affiliated with any organization. So, I will call you Dan, as you are commonly known. And, we'll get started with the interview. So good morning, Dan. Let, let's start by finding out where and when you were born. MCCORMICK: I was. BLUMENBERG: Born. Okay. And were you born in a hospital? MCCORMICK: Yes I was. BLUMENBERG: Okay. Yes. I ran into someone a while back, and they were born at the farm. So. No, I'm. Yeah, I was born on an island. Okay. Tell me about your parents and what their occupations were. MCCORMICK: My father was born in 1888. Well, he was, ended up well. First of all, he and Jack Benny played in a band together. BLUMENBERG: Wow. MCCORMICK: On weekends. BLUMENBERG: Yeah. MCCORMICK: Because Jack Benny is from Waukegan. Okay. And that's very close to Libertyville. BLUMENBERG: Yeah. MCCORMICK: And Jack Benny slept in my grandfather's home. BLUMENBERG: Wow. That's some history. Yeah. Yeah. Well, anyhow. MCCORMICK: My dad was a gun and ammunition salesman for Remington Arms Company. BLUMENBERG: Okay. MCCORMICK: The, at the time, the Second World War broke out. Remington Irish was owned by DuPont company. Well, the government took over all the gun and ammunition manufacturers and plus a lot of other manufacturers. And, as a result, we got transferred around other parts of the country, United States. Lived in Missouri. That's when dad was working at Lake City Ordinance Plant in independence, Missouri. And we moved to, Richland, Washington, and he was at Hanford. And then then the war ended in 45 and we ended up at Evansville, Indiana. There was, ammunition plant down there. BLUMENBERG: Okay. You know, and what was your dad's name? MCCORMICK: And William Edward McCormick. BLUMENBERG: Yeah. You might want to tell the a little story about the names. MCCORMICK: Yeah. Well, for what reason, I don't know. I was never told, but we, my dad and I go by our middle name. His was William Edwin McCormick, and he went by the name of Ed, and I'm William. Dan and I go by the name of Dan. BLUMENBERG: Right. It's a good story. And. MCCORMICK: Anyhow, my mother was from Bradford, Pennsylvania, was a schoolteacher, and, of course, well, they married and my mother went with my dad back to Illinois. And at the time dad was working for Remington and met my mother out in Pennsylvania. And the rest of the story, I don't know. BLUMENBERG: What was your mother's name? MCCORMICK: Doris. Frances Wells. BLUMENBERG: Oh, okay. And so they got married and lived. MCCORMICK: And I have a I had a sister who passed away, a year ago, and, she was younger than I was a year younger. BLUMENBERG: So you it was just you and your sister? MCCORMICK: Yes. BLUMENBERG: Okay. And. And what was her name? MCCORMICK: Mary. Patricia. BLUMENBERG: Okay. Okay, then. This is your history. So you can you can start early on in your career. You said you you moved or in your life. You moved around the country? Yes. Where where did you graduate high school? MCCORMICK: Libertyville. Oh, we ended up back in Libertyville. BLUMENBERG: Okay, so you made the circuit? Yep. And ended back in Libertyville, Illinois. MCCORMICK: And then we, moved back to Libertyville to take care of my grandfather. BLUMENBERG: You know? MCCORMICK: Okay, who was a grocery salesman. BLUMENBERG: You know. MCCORMICK: Sold to small grocery stores in the lake and McHenry County area by horse and buggy. Oh, wow. BLUMENBERG: Yeah. MCCORMICK: And. He, never learned to drive an automobile, so he always had one. They had a lot good automobiles. He had a driver that drove him around to the grocery stores, and he took. BLUMENBERG: Orders. MCCORMICK: For grocery. And he worked for. Grande, McNeil and Horner and Franklin, like they or they were grocery wholesalers in Chicago. BLUMENBERG: Okay. MCCORMICK: And that was who he worked for. BLUMENBERG: Wow. So he made his rounds by horse and buggy and then drive. Oh, yeah. And you ended up, back in Libertyville. MCCORMICK: So graduated high schooler. BLUMENBERG: Yeah. What year would that have been? MCCORMICK: 52. I graduated. BLUMENBERG: Wow, in. MCCORMICK: 52. And that went into the Army? BLUMENBERG: Yeah, in. MCCORMICK: 53. BLUMENBERG: So that was my next question. So when you graduated high school and what what. MCCORMICK: Was that the Korean War was. BLUMENBERG: Yeah. MCCORMICK: Taking place. And, I went into the service, volunteered for the draft. Moved my number up. BLUMENBERG: Yeah, but. MCCORMICK: We had drafted one in the service and 53. BLUMENBERG: Okay. And what were you doing just before you. MCCORMICK: I was working at the lumber yard in Libertyville. BLUMENBERG: Okay. MCCORMICK: Yeah. And I had also. Gone to the University of Wisconsin. I wanted to be a veterinarian and, found out I wasn't cut out for that life. BLUMENBERG: Yeah. MCCORMICK: So so the service. BLUMENBERG: So you want in the service? Yeah. So you were in the Army? Yep. And it says here that you started November 4th. Yes. In 1953, you were inducted. MCCORMICK: Yep. BLUMENBERG: And then. How did it, how did you end up in, in boot camp or where did you. Well. MCCORMICK: One went in the service because the draft board was in Waukegan. BLUMENBERG: Okay. MCCORMICK: But moving my number up, I was drafted into the service and that's where they shipped me. To Fort Landry Wood, Missouri. Okay. Basic training. BLUMENBERG: So you went to Fort Leonard Wood? Yeah. I'm sorry. MCCORMICK: Yeah. And then, ended up took my basic and advanced. Basic and then was shipped to. Fort Carson, Colorado. And, was in the motor pool, and that's where I stayed for my two years. BLUMENBERG: Yeah. So you were in Fort Carson, Colorado? Yeah, yeah. MCCORMICK: I was at. We transferred midway or convoy to camp McCoy. BLUMENBERG: The. So you're making a triangle? Yeah. Right. MCCORMICK: For two summers, we went up there to train. BLUMENBERG: Well. MCCORMICK: National Guard and the Army Reserves. BLUMENBERG: Yeah, well, let me back you up a step. When you were, when you're at, Fort Leonard Wood, you're in basic training here. Do you recall any of your instructors? MCCORMICK: I can't remember any of their names. BLUMENBERG: Yeah. MCCORMICK: I know that, I. Got a three day pass over Christmas. They had us perform. It was kind of like a, oh. BLUMENBERG: Well, what? MCCORMICK: How do I want to say it? We had to run and do some things that if we got. High enough grade. We got a three day pass, and I was able to go home for Christmas, and I didn't believe that was possible. BLUMENBERG: So that happened. MCCORMICK: Yeah. BLUMENBERG: That's good. Well, do recall, if you don't. It's been a while. So you went. Yeah. Recall your instructor's names, but I don't. Tell us a little bit about your your basic training. Oh. MCCORMICK: All I remember is knocking the ice off of the pumpkin while we were out on bivouac. BLUMENBERG: Oh, okay. MCCORMICK: I remember that, and, you know. Long marches and. BLUMENBERG: All right. So a lot of physical work. Yeah. Yeah. And how did you deal with that? MCCORMICK: I thought to myself. There have been a lot of guys ahead of me. They made it. I'm going to make it. So you did. That was my philosophy. BLUMENBERG: Yeah. MCCORMICK: Everybody did it. A lot of people did it before me. I was going to do it. BLUMENBERG: So you hunkered down? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Some. Yeah. Sometimes, people recall things about their physical activity or whatever, and. Yeah. Yeah. You said a lot of marching. Yeah, yeah. MCCORMICK: Yeah, yeah. And we all made it. BLUMENBERG: Yeah. All good. Then. While you were at basic, did you have any chance to, correspond with your family or. MCCORMICK: Your look and write letters? Yes. BLUMENBERG: Yeah. So, no, you didn't have any cell phones or smartphones? No. No. Oh, yeah. Yeah. So you wrote letters? MCCORMICK: Yeah. Yeah. And I knew I was hungry all the time, but, never minded KP. BLUMENBERG: Yeah. MCCORMICK: Because you always got plenty to eat and wash and the pots and pans and so forth, and it wasn't that bad. BLUMENBERG: Right. So you adjusted to. MCCORMICK: Your guard duty? BLUMENBERG: No problem. MCCORMICK: They said don't ever volunteer for anything. I volunteered to be a fireman. Stoking the stoves in the barracks at night. BLUMENBERG: Yeah. MCCORMICK: Well, we didn't have to pull guard duty that way. BLUMENBERG: Well. MCCORMICK: So that was a benefit, too. Yeah. We had every other weekend off because we. There was two of us. You had to keep the fires going. So one week you are on duty and that's what you did all weekend. And next week again, it was your turn to be off. And the other guy. Yeah. Did the fire stolen? BLUMENBERG: So you when you were at the fort, Leonard Wood, was that, 12 week basic or. MCCORMICK: How long do you think? Six weeks. BLUMENBERG: Six weeks? Yeah. And then. MCCORMICK: And then the advance was another six weeks. BLUMENBERG: Okay. And I remember. Yeah. Okay. And then you were in Fort Carson. Yeah. Well, that was a change, too. Yeah. MCCORMICK: I've never been to Colorado. BLUMENBERG: Yeah. So you made the best of that? Yeah. Yeah. And what were your. You said you were on the motor pool. Yeah. So tell us what your. MCCORMICK: You're just working on the the jeeps and a three quarter tons and a two and a half. BLUMENBERG: Yeah. MCCORMICK: Do some hand. BLUMENBERG: Yeah. And then maneuvers or maneuvers? Yeah. MCCORMICK: We're we're in an artillery, battalion. But our job was headquarters company, so we had only one up to to two and a halves. We didn't have any cannons. BLUMENBERG: Okay. So I saw the unit was Headquarters Company, 97th Field Artillery, but. Yeah. Oh, okay. And while you were there, that was the final months of the Korean War, is it? MCCORMICK: Well, that when I went in. Yes. BLUMENBERG: Yeah, I. MCCORMICK: Think it was over in January. BLUMENBERG: Yeah, I don't know. MCCORMICK: 85. BLUMENBERG: Okay. MCCORMICK: 454, I think. I, I'm not on that anymore either. BLUMENBERG: Right. So but you were in and when, when that was going on or winding down. MCCORMICK: Winding down. BLUMENBERG: Yeah. Okay. Then when you were, at Fort Carson. Do you, recall any friendships that you developed while with your fellow? Yeah, I do. MCCORMICK: And, you know, I was so glad to get out. BLUMENBERG: All right. MCCORMICK: That I just didn't keep up with some of those friendships, and I regret that. There was met some nice guys. BLUMENBERG: Yeah. MCCORMICK: And. There was a. Staff sergeant from another. Company that took me deer hunting. My last stand in the service, and I just lost contact with him. BLUMENBERG: And, you know. MCCORMICK: Regret, I regret that. BLUMENBERG: Yeah, well, it's not easy when people get out and you scatter. Well. MCCORMICK: Yeah, but he was. He was career. BLUMENBERG: Okay. MCCORMICK: But I just. Want to get on with my life, and I didn't keep up with. BLUMENBERG: It, you know? MCCORMICK: And I regret. Regret. BLUMENBERG: Right. Well, you had mentioned earlier about, spending, excuse me. Time at Fort McCoy in Wisconsin. Yeah. Would you talk a little bit about that? You left Fort Carson? MCCORMICK: Well, what we did was we can avoid her whole outfit. BLUMENBERG: Okay. MCCORMICK: From. Fort Carson. Camp Carson to. McCoy. And it took us five days. BLUMENBERG: Oh, wow. MCCORMICK: To travel? BLUMENBERG: Yeah. MCCORMICK: Because in a convoy, you don't go very fast. BLUMENBERG: 40 miles an hour. Yep. Exactly. Clanking down the road. Yeah, yeah. MCCORMICK: And then we train the whole battalion. Train the National Guard and the, reserves, of course. And I was in the motor pool, so I just worked on the. Vehicles. BLUMENBERG: So your unit was training the National Guard? Yes. Wow. Yeah. And all that happened? Yeah. Yeah. And you spent three months there? MCCORMICK: Yes. Summer. And then we'd convoy back to Carson. And then we did that the following year also. BLUMENBERG: Okay. MCCORMICK: We did it in 54 and 55. I don't know if they did it after that or not. BLUMENBERG: I know right? Yeah. Well, you had, you said you had some weekends off and whatnot when you were there. Were you able to, get off base or what? We were off duty activities. MCCORMICK: Yeah, I would, I go fishing. BLUMENBERG: Go fishing in the mountains? MCCORMICK: No, in camp McCoy at all. BLUMENBERG: Oh, yeah. In Wisconsin. Okay. MCCORMICK: Cross river. BLUMENBERG: Yeah. Go fishing. Yeah. So they're. MCCORMICK: Oh, yeah, I do that even in the evenings sometimes, yeah. BLUMENBERG: Okay. Good fishing in the river. Yeah, yeah. Let's go. MCCORMICK: oh. Yeah. There's still good fish in there. BLUMENBERG: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, okay. Then your time kind of wound down, then after your second summer and McCoys. Right? When did you actually get discharged? MCCORMICK: November the 3rd. Oh 5555. BLUMENBERG: Okay. Yeah, yeah. Well. There are some. Okay. Well, here you are. And. You're back in Fort Carson when you were discharged, then how did you end up getting back to. MCCORMICK: I had my car. BLUMENBERG: Oh, so you had a car? Yeah. Because at Camp Carson. Yes. Yeah. So you just drove home? Yeah. And that was it. MCCORMICK: That was it. BLUMENBERG: You know. Well, then tell us, how how your family received you when you go back. MCCORMICK: Oh, they were glad I was home, you know, and, I was glad to be home and, you know, alive and. BLUMENBERG: Yeah. MCCORMICK: Not injured. BLUMENBERG: Right. Sure. And then, you know, we're making another transition from the military life back to civilian life out of that transition. Go. MCCORMICK: Fine. I didn't. I was fortunate I didn't have any problems. Yeah. And, I went to back went back to work at the lumber yard and. Work there and then decide I wanted to run the operate a gas station. BLUMENBERG: So you did the lumber. Lumber yard, was it? Yep. Yeah. And then the gas station. MCCORMICK: Yes. And then I was not a good business person. Yes. I didn't I didn't mind the work. I just didn't do the the paperwork. It should have been. BLUMENBERG: Yeah. So what happened? MCCORMICK: So I got out of the gas station business and went to work in the county sheriff's office as a deputy. BLUMENBERG: Okay. And that was in 50, 55, 50, 57. MCCORMICK: No, 60th January of 65. BLUMENBERG: After five years. After you go. Okay. And what? So you were sheriff's deputy? Yeah. MCCORMICK: And what, for ten years? BLUMENBERG: What county? MCCORMICK: Lake County. BLUMENBERG: Mainly Illinois. Okay. Well. MCCORMICK: Big difference. You run out of gas. Yeah, but. And and love. I love the work. As a. Deputy. Worked in all facets of the sheriff's office, from the courts, the jails. BLUMENBERG: Okay. MCCORMICK: Transporting prisoners. Whatever was needed. Became a licensed polygraph examiner. BLUMENBERG: So you were a jack of all trades in a way. Yeah. MCCORMICK: Well, you in that sheriff's office. You did that? Yeah. It was. It was so much more than just being a policeman. BLUMENBERG: Yeah, yeah, a lot of different duties. Yeah. MCCORMICK: Court service? Yeah. Working on the courts. BLUMENBERG: See, that didn't let you get bored either. No no, no. It kept you hopping. Well, tell me about your. You're back in Lake County in Illinois? Yeah. And then what's going on with the rest of your life? MCCORMICK: Well, then I, left the sheriff's office and went to work for the Libertyville Police Department. BLUMENBERG: Okay, so you're still in law? Yeah. MCCORMICK: Law enforcement, 69. And work there until 96. BLUMENBERG: Wow. So you had quite a tenure there? Yeah. MCCORMICK: Became chief of police for six years. The last six years. BLUMENBERG: And. MCCORMICK: Then retired. BLUMENBERG: I did not know that. Yeah. MCCORMICK: Retired? BLUMENBERG: Yeah. MCCORMICK: From that. BLUMENBERG: And when did you retire? MCCORMICK: In 19. 96 on September the 29th, I think it was well. BLUMENBERG: That's quite an interesting, run. Enjoyed it in law enforcement. Yeah, yeah. And. I. I have met your wife, Margie. Yes. When? When did you. MCCORMICK: We. We got married, and, I was married once prior to that. BLUMENBERG: Okay. And we won't talk about that one too much. Well, okay. MCCORMICK: Go ahead. That happens. BLUMENBERG: In life. Yeah, sure. MCCORMICK: We had one child, all right? And I still. Im close with. Him. He lives in Lake County. BLUMENBERG: Okay, so he's at home? Yeah, yeah. MCCORMICK: Ended in divorce. And then, Marge and I married. In 1961. October the. Seventh just last week. Well, we. BLUMENBERG: Should be celebrating your anniversary. We did. You did. Okay. We went. Congratulations. Yeah. Thank you. I mean. MCCORMICK: We went to the deli on our honeymoon. BLUMENBERG: Yeah. MCCORMICK: In 1961. And we went to the deli. BLUMENBERG: Oh, really? MCCORMICK: Saturday night. BLUMENBERG: Wow. Yeah. Same place, same place. MCCORMICK: Not the same people, but. BLUMENBERG: Oh. That's fine. Yeah. Oh, nice. MCCORMICK: Yeah. It was. BLUMENBERG: Yeah. MCCORMICK: We've done it several times. BLUMENBERG: Yeah. Well, you've got a long history in northern Wisconsin, then. Yeah, yeah. MCCORMICK: My aunt and uncle had a place over on Clear Lake. BLUMENBERG: Yeah, well, as we talked about that. Yeah. Prior to this, camera being on one of our previous meetings, so. Yeah. Yeah. And. MCCORMICK: That fell in love with the country. And it was always my goal as possible that I would be able to retire up here, whatever that took place. I was not in any hurry to retire. BLUMENBERG: All right. MCCORMICK: But was it in a hurry to get up here? BLUMENBERG: But when did that actually when did you actually move up here then? MCCORMICK: Well, we we want to spend our summers up here. Right. But that was in 96 when I, the year I retired. And then the next summer. BLUMENBERG: So then you started spending three, four months of the year. MCCORMICK: Six months to be exact. BLUMENBERG: Oh six months. Yeah. Yeah. MCCORMICK: Made a. November. BLUMENBERG: And you live out on Loose Lake? Yes. Yeah. That's, one of the nicest wild looking lakes. MCCORMICK: That's why I picked it. BLUMENBERG: Yeah. Nice. Good choice. MCCORMICK: Reminded me of Canada. BLUMENBERG: Right? Reminds me of this. It's the same. Yeah, yeah. Well, let's see here. We don't want to end this too soon. Well, you were, in the military. You had a lot of experience. MCCORMICK: It was good experience. BLUMENBERG: Yeah. I was going to say or ask you what? What kind of impact did the military have on your life as a whole over the long haul? MCCORMICK: I complained about it when I was in, but I look back on it as an excellent experience in life. I enjoyed. Everything that. And this is the truth. I enjoyed doing the things that I did. I did, I liked the work. I enjoyed it. I probably would have stayed in. Except for. All the unpleasant truths, right? BLUMENBERG: Yeah. So no regrets about your time, sir, at all? MCCORMICK: Yeah. No, no, I think it's a good experience for anybody to. BLUMENBERG: Yeah. MCCORMICK: Experience? BLUMENBERG: Yeah. We had talked a little bit about that and we'll get to that. MCCORMICK: So, I don't know how to say it. I don't know if that's true. If I hadn't been in in combat, I don't know. BLUMENBERG: Right. MCCORMICK: That that I can attest to. BLUMENBERG: Right. But from your perspective and what you did, it was fine. Yeah. And I. No. And no regrets. No. Okay. Then kind of building on that what life is. Life lessons when you would you have learned while you were in the military? MCCORMICK: Taking orders, doing things that you didn't particularly care to do and so forth. But there were consequences. If you didn't, then you learn to accept that. BLUMENBERG: That's a good life. Yeah. Lesson. MCCORMICK: A good life lesson in life. Yeah. And that's what I tell my kids. BLUMENBERG: Yeah. And, what kind of response do you get there? MCCORMICK: Well, they they can't relate to it, you know. BLUMENBERG: Well, but it's true. No. MCCORMICK: It is. And, you know, I had five children, and they're all good kids. Yeah. But are getting up there now. BLUMENBERG: Right. And none of them served in the military? No. I'm good. MCCORMICK: I have a son that was, retired from the fire department. Fire service. BLUMENBERG: Okay. MCCORMICK: So there's a, paramilitary atmosphere there. BLUMENBERG: You know. Service? Yeah. Yeah. Well. Tell me. You know, with all the things going on in the world. Now what? Has the military, your military service impacted your view of war in general or the military in general? MCCORMICK: War, you know, is unpleasant. And, I see the ramifications from it. Dealt with it through the police department, you know. BLUMENBERG: And. MCCORMICK: It has some serious detrimental ramifications to the individuals that have been in service. Right. And. Yet. I belong to the American Legion and try to help in any way that's possible for the vets. And they do a lot of good things for them. BLUMENBERG: Right. MCCORMICK: But That's the downside. BLUMENBERG: All right. Yeah, yeah. The personal the impact on individual persons is is difficult to see. Yeah. Yeah. You know, we had mentioned that a little bit before with PTSD and. Yeah. Yeah, there's a lot of people suffering. MCCORMICK: Oh great deal. Yeah. That are unknown people. BLUMENBERG: Right. MCCORMICK: From the Second World War. BLUMENBERG: Yeah. And they're still still there. MCCORMICK: So. BLUMENBERG: And they're still suffering. And there's still some of those people are still with us. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And what about your views on the military in general these days? MCCORMICK: In one respect? BLUMENBERG: Well, I mean, with, with your, experience and how it impacted your life. Is there any, any way that you could project that to other other people or. MCCORMICK: Well, I just think it's a a good experience for anybody to serve in the service. BLUMENBERG: You know, the military. MCCORMICK: You just know it was good for me. BLUMENBERG: Yeah. MCCORMICK: And good for a lot of people. BLUMENBERG: Right? And it might helps and helps them. Yeah. MCCORMICK: You know, when I was police work, sometimes the court would send kids, young adults into the military service as versus going to prison. A great many of them turned out okay. Didn't make any. I never saw any good ones go bad. I saw a lot of bad ones could turn around. Really good or bad? Yeah, but they were headed in the wrong direction. I think that's a better way. Yeah. BLUMENBERG: All right. MCCORMICK: And they turned out okay. BLUMENBERG: So maybe that structure. MCCORMICK: Structure. Good advice from their superior service. BLUMENBERG: Yeah. MCCORMICK: So people that had been in service for a long time and good influence. BLUMENBERG: Yeah. Oh, nice. MCCORMICK: Yeah, that was a lot on that. Got a good experience from being sent into the service as first of prison. BLUMENBERG: Right? Yeah. MCCORMICK: Not serious. Serious cases, but. BLUMENBERG: Right. MCCORMICK: Headed in the wrong direction. Yeah. BLUMENBERG: Borderline. Yep. Get their life turned around. Yep. Yeah. Yeah. Well, then I mentioned that this is going to be this video is going to be filed with the Library of Congress in Washington, DC. And, you know, on their outline there, they asked, something about do you have, message that you'd like to leave for future generations based on your life and your time in the military? MCCORMICK: Well, I think that, if you have an opportunity to serve in the service, do it. And it's 2 or 3 years out of your life. It may seem like a a long time, but in the realm of things it isn't very long. BLUMENBERG: Yeah. MCCORMICK: And it's just a good experience. BLUMENBERG: Okay. MCCORMICK: I don't regret a day in the service. And I think it's good for I. None of my children went in. I wish they had a I could make them right. I encouraged them, but. BLUMENBERG: Well, that that encouragement is is good. Well, hopefully. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, is there anything else that we haven't discussed that you would want to mention though? MCCORMICK: I can't think of anything. BLUMENBERG: It's wide open. It's your your it's your history and your video, so. Yeah. MCCORMICK: I appreciate. BLUMENBERG: That. Okay. MCCORMICK: I've appreciated the opportunity to talk to you again about it. BLUMENBERG: Yeah. Well, it was fun and I learned something about you. So if there is nothing else, then I will close by saying that, I am Tom Bloomberg, and I had an honor of talking today with William Dan McCormick and Hayward, Wisconsin on October 11th, 2016. And, Dan, I want to thank you for doing the interview, and I want to thank you for your service. MCCORMICK: Well, thank you. And thank you for yours. BLUMENBERG: Thank you. [Interview Ends]